Episode 1364: Additional Information:
This information comes from my correspondance around march 2003 with Terry Arbegust regarding his study of steven Spielberg's use of coincidence.
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for many years now I have been trying to determine which episode of SESAME STREET STEVEN SPIELBERG used in his movie ET [The Extraterrestrial ]. This has proved to be rather difficult to say the least. I even called "Childerns Television" in New York,this was back in the early 1990s and they didn't even know!!! But the women I talked to thought that the one she thought was it had AIRED only once and then SPIELBERG BOUGHT the only original copy.
All this being said recently I have seen a Website that features a stroy about SESAME STREET #1364 and #1396 Its the STAR WARS episodes. Well this makes sense that Spielberg would use "IT" them for this reason, FRANK OZ IS GROVERS VOICE RIGHT??? I knew he was in the beginning 11-10-1969 - thru???? That being said I believe he was the voice of GROVER in #1364 and #1396,,,you would probably know that I don't.
Anyway,,,,since FRANK OZ,I reason was instrumental,in some degree to STAR WARS [1977] and GEORGE LUCAS KNOWS STEVEN SPIELBERG then it makes sense that FRANK OZ could have talked to,,or "arrranged",,what for monetary and or advertizements self promotion etc. a SESAME STREET Episode that had STAR WARS Characters in it.
I have always wondered about this, << whether it was just a COINCIDENCE that BIG BIRD's talking to GROVER on GERTIE'S [Drew Barrymore] Mom's TV SET in ET while Gertie is yelling "PHONE" "PHONE" "Do you want to call somebody? and Big Bird saying to GROVER : "ITHINK IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE" to which GROVER Replies : "From Outer Space!! Big Bird what have you been reading?" !!!!!!
The COINCIDENCE would be between the BIG BIRD'S Statement and the fact that "UNIVERSAL STUDIOS"
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IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE" was released to movie houses in 1953.
I am no wondering more than ever IF Spielberg had setup somekind of deal with GEORGE LUCAS AND FRANK OZ to contact SESAME STREET and make Steven a segment,,episode that he could use in ET
as a "COINCIDENTAL DEVICE" SPIELBERG is known for utilizing COINCIDENCE MEANINGFUL SYNCHRONICITY in many of his films.
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Also as you can hear in ET.mp3 Spielberg has obviously? spliced at least 2 segments of Sesame Street together,,the first one is with the BIG BIRD GROVER CHIN CHIN segment and the second,,is,,I'm 99.9999999999999% sure IS in FACT #1364.
I've been told that the first was,is a "INSERT" technical term for a small segment made especially for INTERTING into MANY episodes. I was told a couple of days ago that this particular INSERT was made sometime in the EARLY 1970s
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I STILL HAVE NOT FOUND OUT WHEN : DATE : THAT EPISODE #1364 [#1396] Aired on TV,,,,,where in heck IS a comprehensive EPISODE GUIDE??? I'm thinking there is NONE.
I just emailed SESAME STREET so maybe they'll know.
I want to know IF IT WAS : 2-14-1980,,,,OR,,,,2-29-1980 which was when THE STAR WARS MUPPET SHOW AIRED WITH MARK HAMILL AND THE STAR WARS Characters 3-CPO and R2-D2 were included etc.
A few years back in the 1990's I called The Childern's Television etc. and she told me [I can't recall which episode she said it it was,,but she did mention the CHINS GROVER part she told me something I can't recall,,but it was in the 1970s,,I wanna say 1975,,,BUT A PERSON OFF TOUGH PIGS.COM told me that the CHIN GROVER Segment was an "INSERT"
and that SESAME STREET would make these INSERTS and USE them over and over again whenever they needed them,,,so,,,,Spielberg used this particular GROVER CHIN INSERT.
Also the Tough Pigs person [Rosie Cousin Tuvok] said that she was certain that the GROVER CHIN INSERT was made in the 1970s.she said early I believe.
Also CHILDRENS TELEVSION told me she thought that the EPISODE used in ET was aired,,,,"JUST ONCE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,," and then SOLD TO STEVEN SPIELBERG. But I can't recall if she told me it was #1364 or not.
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The reason thats of interest to me is because in my study of SPIELBERG'S USE
OF COINCIDENCE [he relies on it pretty intensely,,he's a master of it] in
E.T. you'll note that when BIG BIRD says "I THINK IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE"
E.T. presses the TELEPHONE KEYS IN THIS SEQUENCE: 3-2-1,,,,,, :)LOL!!!!! get
it?? 3-2-1 CONTACT hahahaha!!!! This guy is very clever to say the least,,I
gues thats WHY he's thee?/ Major MOGUL in Hollywood.
Also you'll note that AFTER E.T. presses the keys 3-2-1 he lifts his finger
OFF the telephone cradle are,,,and suspends it above the telephone and right
on the words "OUTER SPACE" E.T. TOUCHES,,very lightly and removes his finger
on the words' "OUTER SPACE. I do not think this is by accident."
Also when you do a search for 3-2-1 CONTACT there is a page thats called :
http://www.esglabs.com/personal/eodenius/sitcoms/chenjesu.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=3-2-1+contact+alien
StarCon Sitcoms
3-2-1 Contact!
Alien Species Used: Chenjesu
Based On: <<<<CTW's 3-2-1 Contact!>>>>>
Plot Summary: Young Chenjesu learn about the do's and dont's of first
<<<<<
contact.>>>>>
SO YOU SEE whether Spielberg INTENDED HIS COINCIDENCE with E.T.'s depressing
the keys 3-2-1 Spielberg still created this COINCIDENCE,,,and like I said he
PROBALY INTENDED all this,,,but I DOUBT,,seriously DOUBT that anyone has
noticed this. Blah Blah Blah,,,anyway,,,I find it very interesting.
[NOTE: For a study of COINCIDENCE in Spielberg movies see "CLOSE ENCOUNTERS
OF A 3RD KIND" he employs coincidence all through the movie.] Also in case
you didn't know it,Spielberg's inspiration for CLOSE ENCOUNTERS was a UFL
expereince he had has a young kid in Arizona. And from what I understand
about the guy he would be more than happy to be involved in ALIENC
CONTACT,,,,,,,,,,,,thus the 3-2-1- CONTACT and I believe he thinks it'll be
throught SCIENTIFIC MEANS,,and again that resonates with the SPIRIT or
3-2-1-CONTACT.
IF YOU WOULD,,,IF you decide to use any of this information would you give
me some kind of credit?? mention your source?? you don't have to but IF you
do,,can you tell me where you post it??
Sincerely: Terry Arbegust.
[3:37a.m. 03-30-2003]
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email thread with Mark the Shark:
Those shows have been running over and over on Noggin since 1999 and the rumor
mill has it that they are going to be phased out (taken off the air) within the
next year. So tape them now, while you have the chance. They are uninterrupted
with no logo bugs on them. Now is the time to get them if you already haven't.
I have all 65 of Noggin's "Electric Company" episodes and all 67 "Sesame Street
Unpaved" episodes, as well as most of the 1993-1994 "123 Sesame Street"
episodes (which I have only a cursory interest in, since they only include a
few solitary clips in each show that are from my era). The 123s have breaks and
logos in them, unfortunately.
I never bothered with "321 Contact," since I never watched it originally.
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>i've been taping for about 6 months and have started to see repeats in
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the ECs, but not yet in the sesmae streets. are the numbers you gave
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reliable? just a way for me to figure out when to stop. even the 321
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contacts are repeating now. those shows take me back like no others.
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Yes, the Sesame Street Unpaved episodes are probably taking a longer time to
recycle now that they are only showing two episodes each weekend (I've even
heard that they may have cut it down to one...I'm not sure, once I got them all
I have stopped following it).
Sesame Street Unpaved
0:54:06 1170 N-1 (Premiere, 11/10/69) (Gordon introduces Sally) (1)
0:53:55 1171 N-2 (1969) ( B contest) (2?)
0:53:34 1207 N-3 (1969) ( Your Funny Face ) (3?)
0:53:59 1208 N-4 (1969) (Oscar bakes a cake)
0:53:38 1172 N-5 (1969) (Bags of bird seed)
0:54:04 1173 N-6 (1970) (Who's taller, Ernie or Bert?)
0:54:09 1173 N-7 (1970) ( If You're Happy And You Know It )
0:53:34 1174 N-8 (1970) (Oscar's stop signs) (162)
0:53:50 1212 N-9 (1970) ( 123 Sesame Street )
0:53:52 1174 N-10 (1971) (Introduction of David, Maria, Luis, Molly, Tom & Mr.
Snuffleupagus)
0:54:00 1176 N-11 (1972) (Rainstorm)
0:54:09 1177 N-12 (1972) (Cast recites alphabet; first appearance of Hal Miller
as Gordon)
0:54:06 1214 N-13 (1972) (Stevie Wonder)
0:54:07 1215 N-14 (1973) (Another quiet day; Fat Cat Sat ) (536)
0:53:47 1178 N-15 (1974) (The Count counts lights; first appearance of Roscoe
Orman as Gordon) (666?)
0:53:55 1179 N-16 (1975) (No one sees Snuffy) (796?)
0:53:51 1183 N-17 (1976) (Mr. Hooper goes back to school)
0:53:56 1184 #926 (1976) (Surprise)
0:53:52 1185 #1037 (1977) (New baby, Big Bird is jealous)
0:53:56 1187 #1041 (1977) ( Cripple Creek )
0:53:50 1189 #1056 (1977) (Bert's marching band)
0:53:42 1188 #1090 (1978) (Hawaii/Day 1)
0:53:59 1190 #1091 (1978) (Hawaii/Day 2)
0:54:08 1220 #1092 (1978) (Hawaii/Day 3)
0:53:36 1219 #1093 (1978) (Hawaii/Day 4)
0:53:58 1217 #1094 (1978) (Hawaii/Day 5)
0:54:05 1221 #1095 (1978) (Hawaii/Day 6)
0:53:51 1192 #1186 (1978) (The Count counts hellos )
0:53:59 1194 #1316 (1979) (Puerto Rico)
0:53:32 1168 #1364 (1980) (C3PO & R2D2 #1)
0:53:35 1169 #1396 (1980) (C3PO & R2D2 #2)
0:53:52 1225 #1446 (1980) (Big Bird goes to school)
0:54:08 1195 #1563 (1981) (Maria asks for a raise)
0:54:08 1196 #1575 (1981) (Heat wave) (With Cab Calloway & Mr. Rogers)
0:54:10 1228 #1576 (1981) (Endangered species)
0:53:58 1198 #1706 (1982) (Big Bird At Camp/Day 1)
0:53:54 1199 #1707 (1982) (Big Bird At Camp/Day 2)
0:53:44 1200 #1708 (1982) (Big Bird At Camp/Day 3)
0:53:59 1144 #1709 (1982) (Big Bird At Camp/Day 4)
0:54:11 1144 #1710 (1982) (Big Bird At Camp/Day 5)
0:54:05 1145 #1736 (1983) (Music lessons)
0:53:24 1147 #1740 (1983) (Water conservation)
0:53:35 1146 #1800 (1983) (Snuffy's toaster)
0:53:39 1148 #1836 (1983) (Gordon runs in the marathon)
0:53:50 1149 #1839 (1983) (Death of Mr. Hooper)
0:53:43 1149 #1933 (1984) ( The Plant In My Window )
0:53:45 1202 #2040 (1985) (Snuffy goes to the movies)
0:53:51 1151 #2059 (1985) (Big Bird's mailbox)
0:54:11 1152 #2073 (1985) (Remembering Mr. Hooper)
0:54:02 1152 #2096 (1985) (Snuffy revealed)
0:53:46 1154 #2122 (1985) (Adoption of Miles/Part 1)
0:53:28 1153 #2123 (1985) (Adoption of Miles/Part 2)
0:52:55 1155 #2124 (1985) (Adoption of Miles/Part 3)
0:53:38 1156 #2125 (1985) (Adoption of Miles/Part 4)
0:54:02 1157 #2208 (1986) (Uncle Wally returns)
0:53:46 1158 #2226 (1986) (Miles' first birthday)
0:54:03 1159 #2257 (1986) (Luis gets glasses)
0:53:52 1160 #2269 (1987) (Oscar's barbecue)
0:53:52 1160 #2293 (1987) (Big Bird & Snuffy go exploring)
0:53:44 1161 #2356 (1987) (Visit to the Bronx Zoo)
0:53:47 1161 #2358 (1987) (David hires Gina)
0:53:59 1162 #2404 (1988) (Maria and Luis fall in love)
0:54:02 1163 #2485 (1988) (Maria/Luis wedding)
0:54:00 1163 #2486 (1988) (Maria/Luis honeymoon)
0:53:51 1210 #2558 (1989) (Maria is pregnant)
0:53:56 1165 #2574 (1989) (Maria is still pregnant)
0:54:11 1166 #2615 (1989) (Birth of Gabriela)
The Electric Company
Season 1 (1971-1972)
0:25:39 1204 N-1 (Hello) (1)
0:25:48 1204 N-2 (Pantomime bus stop skit)
0:25:58 1205 N-3 (Sad fad fan)
0:25:30 1205 N-4 (Cotton candy)
0:25:40 1206 N-5 (Time clock)
0:25:27 1206 N-6 (Mortimer Macarthur)
0:25:41 1210 N-7 (Tan tap top tot)
0:25:20 1210 N-8 (Rip zip pip) (19)
0:25:39 1211 N-9 (Den din did dad)
0:25:44 1211 N-10 (G Gab gab bag)
0:25:22 1215 N-11 (Bee cartoon)
0:25:44 1215 N-12 (Hero hose hammer)
0:25:36 1216 N-13 (Hum hop hit)
0:25:27 1216 N-14 (Yo-yo contest)
0:25:54 1219 N-15 (Wet yes ten)
0:25:30 1219 N-16 (Lot let lit)
0:25:39 1220 N-17 (Lag lid ale eel)
0:25:49 1220 N-18 (Valentine vest glove)
Season 2 (1972-1973)
0:25:41 1221 N-19 (Banana split) (Big Bird cameo)
0:25:41 1221 N-20 (Try not to tremble)
0:25:36 1267 N-21 (Wand)
0:25:44 1222 N-22 (Yes yet yell you) (Morgan Freeman dressed as the letter Y)
0:25:46 1222 N-23 (Vaudeville T)
0:25:36 1223 N-24 (Eggs)
0:25:36 1224 N-25 (Silhouettes: Dog dig dim)
0:25:50 1224 N-26 (Mix fix wax)
0:25:47 1225 N-27 (n't)
0:25:51 1147 N-28 (Mission: Impossible intro)
0:25:26 1226 N-29 (Gary Owens intro)
0:25:42 1226 N-30 (Bag jug egg)
0:26:01 1227 N-31 (Taxi) (230)
0:25:39 1227 N-32 (Jump!)
0:25:41 1228 N-33 (Wax wag wig)
0:25:38 1228 N-34 (Gorgeous Gidget)
Seasons 3 (1973-1974) and 4 (1974-1975)
0:25:39 1155 N-35 (Sneakers) (Grover cameo)
0:25:44 1138 N-36 (Don't bug me)
0:25:46 1148 N-37 (Winner)
0:25:37 1162 N-38 (Giant)
0:25:47 1162 N-39 (Some)
0:25:50 1169 N-40 (Broccoli) (358)
0:25:44 1169 N-41 (Circus #1)
0:25:45 1171 N-42 (Sticks and stones)
0:25:51 1171 N-43 (Circus #2)
0:25:40 1175 N-44 (Snip)
0:25:30 1175 N-45 (To the Queen)
0:25:46 1176 N-46 (Read)
0:25:38 1176 N-47 (There was)
0:25:45 1184 N-48 (Tight) (Oscar cameo)
0:25:45 1184 N-49 (Not good)
Seasons 5 (1975-1976) and 6 (1976-1977)
0:25:41 1187 N-50 (Yankee Doodle)
0:25:46 1187 N-51 (Knock Knock Rock)
0:25:27 1191 N-52 (Silver sipper)
0:25:30 1191 N-53 (Jelly belly)
0:25:40 1193 N-54 (Is it love)
0:25:35 1193 N-55 (Light)
0:25:37 1198 N-56 (Creepy creature)
0:25:37 1198 N-57 (I am batting)
0:25:40 1200 N-58 (Mr. Vinton's pants)
0:25:33 1200 N-59 (The sports monster will bowl)
0:25:26 1201 N-60 (Think tank)
0:25:43 1201 N-61 (Crank)
0:25:49 1202 N-62 (Witch in the kitchen)
0:25:41 1202 N-63 (Good night)
0:25:40 1203 N-64 (Nutty) (79B)
0:25:34 1203 N-65 (Coach) (130B) (Final episode)
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>hey mark - holy crap. if you don't mind me asking, how did you get the
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episode numbers? alot of the early epsiodes of SS didn't show the
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numbers during the show. i've been writing to CTW for like 2 months
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and never got a reply. and i can't find this info on the net anywhere.
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also, what is the format of those numbers? ie. what does N- stand for?
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-chuck
Most of the info in my list is unofficial. I just copied (cut and pasted) it
from my own list of shows I taped off Noggin. For the Electric Company
episodes, I don't have any record of the original episode numbers. The "N"
numbers refer to the sequence of episodes as shown on Noggin. If I do know the
actual original episode number of a show, I included it in parentheses. For the
Electric Company descriptions, I've just listed the first thing you see at the
beginning of the episode, or the first words shown on screen. Starting with
Season 3, there was always a specific word for that day shown at the top of the
episode, so for those years, I used that. The official episode numbers went
#1-520 (for Seasons 1-4) and then they started over from the beginning again
(Season 5 episodes were originally numbered #1-130A and Season 6 episodes were
originally numbered #1-130B). Although they produced 780 half-hour episodes
over the six seasons, a lot of the material (like on Sesame Street) was reused
and recycled over and over. When the show ceased production in 1977, PBS just
kept rerunning the last two seasons' shows over and over again (in Chicago WTTW
finally took it off in 1984).
The Sesame Street episodes were easier to catalog because most of them have the
episode number right on the screen at the top of the show (beginning in 1976).
For the shows prior to 1976 (unfortunately, including the whole time I watched
it as a child), the episode numbers were shown in a separate piece of animation
prior to the opening theme, and Noggin (or CTW) saw fit to cut that segment off
of all but one episode (#162). A dupe of the original NET (pre-PBS) archive
tape of show #1 has been going around on video so that one is easy to identify.
A handful of other episodes are in the archives of New York's Museum of
Television & Radio and the museum's copies are complete, so I was able to get
the info on a few other episode numbers from some other folks on the internet
who have seen those tapes.
The descriptions of the Sesame Street episodes on my list are in no way
official...they just represent either the first thing that happens in the show,
or a major plot point, etc. It was just my way of identifying them.
For the other numbers on my list:
0:54:06 (Length of episode, hour/minute/second)
1170 (Tape number in my archive)
N-1 (Episode number; if it's N-1, N-2 etc., that reflects the sequence of shows
as aired on Noggin. For later shows--beginning with #926--the original official
episode numbers are shown on screen at the top of the show, so I listed them
that way. If I do know the official number of an episode with no on-screen
episode number, I've included it in parentheses after the episode description.)
Hope that helps.